GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 01:41 AM): QUOTE Excellent use of the ad hominem there. Another lame retort. Attacking my name calling, and avoiding the argument is as bad as my name calling itself, Meathead. QUOTE Come back when you can have a discussion without resorting to calling people names. Excuse me? To quote Mr. Trump, You're fired. And by fired, I mean banned. Oh wait I forgot, you can't read this now...what a shame. GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 01:55 AM): QUOTE (Tobias @ Apr 7 2004, 10:32 PM) I must say I'm a bit surprised at the 2 people who are arguing. I don't like to argue. When I do, I almost never take it personally either. But sometimes the argument isn't about who's right and who's wrong. Sometimes it's merely a clash of personalities. "Can't we all just get along?" is rather unrealistic. I can tolerate a person I dislike. However, I can not tolerate a person I dislike who likes to step on my toes. GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 01:57 AM): Ironically I've come up with a far better screening method which would have rendered this thread and argument moot. Damien_Husky (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 08:44 AM): Gibson, I have a friend IRL who is a good guy, just now getting into furries and everything. I'm going to sign him up myself considering he has limited computer use in the first place. But nevertheless...he wants to come to Dallas to go to some meets with me...so hes legit...and the name of the profile is terciel. Thanks =) GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 11:53 AM): I'll make sure he is approved as soon as he signs up. :) EinFuchs (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 08:35 PM): QUOTE (GibsonFox @ Apr 8 2004, 12:41 AM) QUOTE Excellent use of the ad hominem there. Another lame retort. Attacking my name calling, and avoiding the argument is as bad as my name calling itself, Meathead. QUOTE Come back when you can have a discussion without resorting to calling people names. Excuse me? To quote Mr. Trump, You're fired. And by fired, I mean banned. Oh wait I forgot, you can't read this now...what a shame. hey man, he didn't do anything bannable... he just wanted to disagree thats not a crime And it is a bit of an abuse of your powers as an admin. edit- oh yeah 367 is definatly a fur, she's a good friend of mine This post has been edited by EinFuchs on Apr 8 2004, 08:38 PM GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 08:45 PM): QUOTE (EinFuchs @ Apr 8 2004, 07:35 PM) And it is a bit of an abuse of your powers as an admin. You don't get out much do you? I'm probably one of the most fair and non-abusive admin's you'll ever meet. BTW, "abuse of power" in this instance is an oxymoron. Please show me where it says what I can and can not do? You can not abuse power if that power's limits have not been defined. GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 08:46 PM): QUOTE (EinFuchs @ Apr 8 2004, 07:35 PM) thats not a crime Nor is this a court of law. EinFuchs (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 08:48 PM): QUOTE (GibsonFox @ Apr 8 2004, 07:45 PM) QUOTE (EinFuchs @ Apr 8 2004, 07:35 PM) And it is a bit of an abuse of your powers as an admin. You don't get out much do you? I'm probably one of the most fair and non-abusive admin's you'll ever meet. BTW, "abuse of power" in this instance is an oxymoron. Please show me where it says what I can and can not do? You can not abuse power if that power's limits have not been defined. No I dont, but I have met several that I found fairer... and nowhere, but it seems at odds with making the board a democracy, which you claimed elsewhere that you wanted to do. He didn't even really disagree with policy, he just didn't like the analogy you made GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 09:01 PM): QUOTE No I dont, but I have met several that I found fairer... And none less fair? What Internet do you come from? Sounds like the drugs are groovy there! QUOTE and nowhere, but it seems at odds with making the board a democracy, which you claimed elsewhere that you wanted to do. How does this "seem at odds"? You really don't understand the entire election thing do you? Let me make it really simple. You vote for someone, they form a governing body. They decide whether the forum is a democracy, a dictatorship or something Lenin might approve of. They determine when the next elections, if ever, are. They decide it all! Guess what? I'm not making the forum a democracy, that's all up to the people you elect! ( And no that sentence is not an oxymoron either. The people you elect aren't going to decide anything until after they've formed a governing body. If you elect them and they don't do what you want, it's not really a democracy / republic, now is it? ) What if those people decide to form an anarchy, have I turned the forum into a democracy? Do me a favor, go argue with a cop. Then tell'em it's only an argument and "not a crime"! See what he says. EinFuchs (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 09:39 PM): Oh, indeed, there are many less fair... And I see what you mean by the elections system... that is rather scary, I hope that whoever is elected is intellegent, wise, and understanding. And ultimatly, it's only an internet forum... so it's not that big a deal for me... edit-Actually, I can see where you're coming from, he wasn't exactly right... This post has been edited by EinFuchs on Apr 8 2004, 09:52 PM Tobias (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 11:20 PM): Cmon Gibson, un-ban him, he's contributed a lot to the forum and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have had a flyer for TFC. He's also given us a lot of nice links to fun stuff. sad.gif GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 8 2004, 11:34 PM): QUOTE (Tobias @ Apr 8 2004, 10:20 PM) Cmon Gibson, un-ban him, he's contributed a lot to the forum and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have had a flyer for TFC. He's also given us a lot of nice links to fun stuff. :( http://forum.texasfurs.org/index.php?showforum=58 The power is in the people now. Foxxor (Posted: Apr 9 2004, 08:45 PM): What is democracy without freedom of speech? I ask this because in a recent thread ([url]http://forum.texasfurs.org/index.php?showtopic=899&hl=[/url]), Dahan ([url]http://forum.texasfurs.org/index.php?showuser=111[/url]) objected against the voting of whether or not new members were furry enough to join the forum, and he was subsequently banned for expressing this opinion. How can there be democracy when there is no freedom of expression? Will these elected "administrative representatives" express their opinions on how to run the forums and not risk being banned by GibsonFox? And if so, will they ever have any power? They will be nothing but GibsonFox's yes men, incapable of shaping the future of the board. As it stands, due to the lack of free speech, the election is nothing but a pacifier for Gibson to shove into the mouths he wishes to silence. Effectively, he is saying: Don't worry about me banning him, after all you are now free! ([url]http://forum.texasfurs.org/index.php?showtopic=899&st=45[/url]) Now I realise it is Gibson's money and Gibson's website and he's free to do whatever he wants with it, but the truth remains: the elected have no powers. I have zero confidence that any so-called democratic government would ever express the will of the people. Don't waste your time. If you are elected, don't be sure you will have any say in this website. Likewise, if you vote, you are only fooling yourself into believing you have a chance to make a difference. For all practical purposes, this election is a farce. GibsonFox (Posted: Apr 9 2004, 08:55 PM): This post does nothing but incite trolling. I'd mod it -5 for Rampant Stupidity.